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EMAILS & FEEDBACK FROM 1st OCTOBER,2012:SERIES No.39
1)I fondly go through your emails which cover a variety of topics of common interest. I feel that every recipient gets matter of his/her interest in one or the other emails sent by you. For me, reading your emails is as obsessive as reading the daily newspaper or a favorite magazine.
CCC and Pensioners e-mails give clarity to so many subjects as views from different angles on a particular topic are available at a single place. I join the other recipients and beneficiaries of your emails to convey our sincere thanks to you for providing us valuable information and contents through your ‘emails’, ‘CCC’ and ‘pensioner’s emails’. ---M P Agnihotri.
2) RE: 1)THANJAVUR & SALEM VISIT 2)TRUE PICTURE re INTERIM APPLICATION & SLP
Dear Sri Angurajan,
It is neither a formality nor an exaggeration if I say, " YOU HAVE DONE AN EXCELLANT JOB ! " Being in the community welfare activities since 1960, I am fully aware of the difficulties and impediments to be overcome for a single such achievement, whereas yours is an admirable
multiple achievement ! You are, indeed a real marketing man ! My hats off to you for the
wonderful job done ! I shall look forward to an earliest opportunity to meet you in person !
Congratulations ! Keep it up !
With warmest wishes,----A.BALASUBRAMANYA
3) dear mr. kishore, today i have despatched a cheque for rs.2000/ towards legal fund. i pray Almighty to give us favourable decisions in all our cases. long live RIEA.---- S.K.BALAKRISHNAN
4)Thanks and best wishes to Shri Asthana and all.--------Dharmendra Kumar
5)Very very happy to hear that SC has listed the case to hear.
We all thank u for the info.We all pray the Lord to give us the
Victory and solace to the hearts.Pl pass on info after the hearing. --- Raghuraman
6)Thank you very much for forwarding the message on SLP matter.It is true we should ,not only celebrate Navaratri in a be fitting way, pray also Durga Devi. We should invoke the
blessings of Goddess LAKSHMI TO GRACE us with expected benefits
With you for prayer -----R.Srinivasan
7)This LIC’s letter to Joint Secretary, MOF Dt. 31st December 2001, how carefully you managed to secure I do not know and preserved by you so long, is truly a precious and invaluable document, which reveals truth of LIC’s contemplation way back in 2001, in regard to pension upgradation to retirees and 100% DA neutralization to those of pre-August 1997 band. It certainly serves as a categorical, crystal clear and concrete weapon in the armoury of Sri Asthana before the Supreme Court both during Interim Application Submissions as also finally at the time of SLP Hearings and Proceedings. It is, however, unfortunate that such an important communication as this, sadly pertaining to our own pensioners’ matter, lost track of and shelved once and for all in a Government of India undertaking like LIC Corporate Office all these years without making any follow up with MOF and the Government of India itself was silent and remained in such long slumber without any action. It is almost a forgotten chapter at both the ends with the change of guards and generations to the absolute detriment of senior citizens’ community. This should necessarily be brought to the notice of the Supreme Court for the great injustice done to us.
Moreover, the word “prospective effect” used then must be interpreted to be from date 1st day of August 1997 as the cut off date, being the issue itself related to that date prior, and since the proposal and recommendation covers the period for pensioners applicable from 1st day of January 1986 to 31st day of July 1997, as otherwise, inference may be drawn as ‘retrospective effect’ for the respective pensioners retired as from 1st day of January 1986 onwards up to 31st day of July 1997 according to their dates of retirement and to avoid that contingency, guardedly it might have been used as “prospective effect.” It is not to dilly-dally for decades like this and still take advantage of the clause as writing on the wall as “tomorrow,” which will always be ahead and forwards.
This letter seems to be more clarified, more revealing and more strong and effective than the Board Resolution itself as regards the tenor and spirit of the pensioners’ issues at stake and exposes LIC’s fallacy and foul play in twisting facts to their advantage in their Counter Affidavit to the Contempt Petition and SLPs. It is better that we keep this shield in our fold, keep calm for the time being, and shoot at unawares to LIC on the eventful day appropriately, lest should they come to know of it before hand, they may try to make some cover up and give a different sort of build up to protect their skin and come clean about. Accordingly, you discuss with Sri Asthana and plan for projecting and focusing this at the right moment. This may be enjoined with Sri V.R.Krishna Iyer’s letter to former FM Sri Pranab Mukherjee also, which gives further reinforcement of the plea before the SC Judges.
“Truth is the most valuable thing we have. Let us economize it. – Mark Twain
“Truth is a jewel which should not be painted over; but it may be set to advantage and shown in good light.” – George Santayana
I have written whatever that has occurred to my humble mind and conscience tells and I do not know how far it meets with your concurrence. I shall be glad to have your valuable views and comments. Kind regards--------Dr.G.Gopalakrishna
8)IA in SLP 29956 & 29957 /2011 adjourned 17 Oct 2012:
Yes we are praying God , give wisdom to lic managementment.
------Mahesh Kaushik
9)Your superfast communication has no parellel. We wish things unfold favourably at the end. Kindly enlighten me:whether LIC is intending to contact Finance Ministry as to what reply to Court can be given?---K.Venkataraman
10)I am sending to Kishore Sir today a cheque for Rs.1,000 as my Donation for Ahmedabad meeting. Hopefully he will be receiving it within 10-12 days.Thanks and regards Ramanan Madurai,now USA
11)Thank you for your mail on SLP, scheduled for 17th instant. When the petition of Mr Asthana on Court Clarification is likely to be taken up. Wish, you be in good health and spirit.-Dilip Ghosh, Kolkata, LIC Retd Class-I Officers' Association.
12)I AM PENSIONER OF GANDHINAGAR DIVISION, WZ.
I WILL BE HELPFUL IN SENDING YOUR MESSAGES TO MY COLLEAGUE PENSIONER FRIENDS URGENTLY
KINDLY ADD MY E MAIL TO YOUR ADDRESS
pvithalr@gmail.com Regards,VITHALBHAI PATEL
(included, emails select old & now regular done --RBK)
13)I thank you very much for a copy of the beautiful hand book of our Charter of Demands presented to our Chairman by our esteemed Organisation recd. just now. The PROLOGUE compiled by you present a very comprehensive for older peoples demands as per the resolutions of the United Nations and Govt. of India. Most of us may not know about the said resolutions. If the GOI is really interested in their National Policy on Older persons, adopted as far back in Jan 1999, all our justified demands can be accepted by the management without any discussion. But these people have no time to look back and are fully engaged in fighting with Mr. Aravind Kejriwal & party in order to protect their ill gotten wealth running many many crores. God will certainly do justice, I strongly believe. With High respects,-----G. Ramamoorthy
14)Very nice. Thank you very much for the nice portraying of what transpired in the court on 10th October 2012 step by step as if we are physically present and witnessing the court proceedings. It is like a teleprinter message directly received from Asthana at Delhi, similar to what used to happen in LIC offices up to two decades back for passing on communications/promotion orders etc. before computers came into vogue. How difficult it is to ascertain so many details on phone and to convey comprehensively in seriatim without leaving anything that the members generally like to know to their absolute satisfaction! The morale of the members certainly boosts up with your step and action. In granting 1 week's time only against 2 weeks requirement by the LIC counsel, SC displayed great reasonableness and at the same time, gave indication of a message that they are not in favour of such requests anymore and adjourned the case to 17th October 2012.
Yes, we shall remain with prayers for fulfillment of our desires. "The answer to our prayer may be the echo of our resolve." - Lord Samuel.
Kind regards.-----Dr.G.Gopalakrishna
HAPPY NAVRATHRI & DASSARA
15)Thank you very much for your greetings for the ensuing HAPPY NAVARATHRI AND DASSARA and we heartily reciprocate the same to you. May Goddess Durga destroy all evils so far done by the perpetrators and create and bring in fresh light into our lives with the turn of events for undeniable happiness and prosperity by Her majesty, through the corridors of the Supreme Court. "God is the source of light and life and yet He is above and beyond all these." - Gandhi. Thanks & Regards.------Dr.G.Gopalakrishna
16)I join you in greeting the annual arrival of Mother Durga in her infinite variety of power and unbounded grace while praying for victory in our common efforts.--KGopalan
17)I have seen your forwarded message of Tirupathi Darshan along with a fervent appeal for prayer for good things to happen on 17 th oct for the fraternity of retirees
May GOD grace us with bounty of benefits.--------R.Srinivasan
18)Shubha shardiya Abhinandan.----—BinoyKrishna Sen
COLLECTIONS: R.B.KISHORE, VP,AIRIEF 16/10/2012
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PENSIONERS’ EMAILS & FEEDBACK FROM 16th SEP,2012
1)Thank you, Sh Kishore, for the regular and very prompt "Pensioners' emails and feedback. All of us look eagerly forward to your v informative valuable mails.
I wish to suggest is it possible for us to add a plea for the 5th Oct crucial hearing wherein the SC will give a clarification as to the scope and application of the Nov 2011 interim order on revision/upgradation of pensions to all LIC pensioners, that the LIC gives a commitment as to the date when they shall implement the Courts decision.
Hopefully this will be the last stage of our battle for increase in pension every time salaries are revised.
Is it not ironic that for senior citizens above 80 years the non taxable limit is Rs 5 lakh; while our retirees over 80 years of age do not have annual pension of even 1 Lakh.
The GOI's attitude is very callous and painful to all of us.
------JKDar
2) DEAR SRI JAI, i)THANX FOR UR EMAIL WHEN I STARTED, I NEVER KNEW CCC ON THE DOT ON THE LAST DAY OF EVERY MONTH CROSSES 101 ALREADY & SO TOO, TO RADIATE THE NEWS & VIEWS OF MANY PENSIONERS WHO SEND EMAILS, SO MANY FROM ALL OVER TALK TO ME, THAT PENSIONERS EMAILS & FEEDBACK WILL CROSS 37 BY NOW.MANY LIC NEWS & INFO & DATA TOO, I FLASH FOR WE LICians TO BE AWARE & ALIVE TO THE HAPPENINGS AROUND.EQUALLY, THE WONDERFUL, BEAUTIFUL GEMS & PEARLS OF WISDOM I SEND PREFERABLY FROM MY GMAILID AS I FIND GMAIL IS 3/4 TIMES FASTER THAN YAHOO.ALL OF US HAVE ENRICHED OURSELVES IN THAT PROCESS.UR EMAILS ARE EXTREMELY USEFUL
ii)UR 2ND POINTASSUMES IMPORTANCE IN THE CONTEXT OF ENSUING 5TH OCTOBER IA-3 OF SLP TO BE HEARD BY SC BENCH FOR CLARIFICATION RE 14 NOV 2011 SC BENCH ORDERS.U RECALL SRI ASTHANA HAS QUOTED TENTATIVELY RS1601CR FOR THIS PURPOSE OF PENSION UPGRADATION,QUOTING HON BHANDARIS SJ ORDERS .CERTAINLY, WE CANT ALLOW LIC TO BE GIVEN THE PREFERENCE OF CHOOSING A DATE OF EFFECT. HON BE NCH MUST ITSELF FIX THE DATE REASONABLY FROM WHEN DISCRMINATION STARTED ARISING, IE 1/8/1997
WERE WE NOT HAPPY WITH RECENT SC ORDERS ON ARMY OFFICERS PAY WEF 1/1/1986 FOR 20YRS & MORE & 6 % INTEREST FROM 1/1/2006. SC ALSO FIXED DEADLINE OF 3 MONTHS FOR RELESEOF ARREARS .
SO TOO, IN OUR CASE, AS ALL KNOW REASONABLE CORRECT CALCULATIONS ARE AVAILABLE VWITH LIC RIGHT FROM JAIPUR HC CONTEMPT PETITION & SO SUCH A TIME PERIOD SHD BE OK. AS U RIGHTLY SAY,DURING SUBMISSIONS, OUR ADVOCATE & SR COUNSEL MUST DEMAND SUCH A SPECIFIC ORDER . U ALSO KNOW SRI ASTHANA HAS ALSO DEMANDED INTEREST .AS IN THE CASE OF GRATUITY ARREARS, WHEN OUR SELECT CLASS I GOT 10 %INTERST WEF 1/8/1992 TO SEP/OCT2008 WHEN JUDGEMENT WAS PRONOUNCED
iii)ABSOLUTELY, LIC & MOF.GOI ATTITUDE HAS BEEN TO DILLY DALLY, BEING CORNERED, DELAY, CALLOUS INDEED.12272 DEATHS AS FP TRIBE SHOT UP TO 35 % OF RP
WHO WILL WIPE THOSE TEARS ? WE PRAY SC BENCH COMES WITH A LANDMARK JUDGEMENT ,CASTIGATING LIC & MOF FOR THE LACKADAISICAL MANNER IN WHICH THEY TREATED THIS MATURE, MELLOWED TRIBE OF ELDERS WHOSE FUNDAMENTAL RIGHTS ARE BEING SUPPRESSED & THROWN TO THE WIND.
iv)MORE FROM HORSES MOUTH OF VETERAN SRI ASTHANA, THE CRUSADER FOR PENSIONERS
GREETINGS,--------R.B.KISHORE
3) A really informative,useful and absorbing collection of views and feedback.
Regards.---CHMahadevan
4) Thanks for refreshing memories of our young days. This is a very appropriate and interesting mail.----HARBHAJAN SINGH
5) LIC executives now sitting on the helm of affairs are not giving heed to the genuine needs of their ex colleagues but will soon join pensioners group and will feel sorry that they were not considerate while in chair because of ego. I feel they should take right decisions to implement the genuine demand of pensioners as is implemented by Center and State govts. otherwise Court has to pass comments to get the right things implemented which will be shame for them.---A.D.Arora
6) Dear Sir, Thank yu for your Blessings and Wishes for Ganesh Chathurthi Our family joins me in sending our Greetings. We Pray Lord Ganesha to bestow you with All that your Services will continue to bring SMILES in the families of Insurance Fraternity. With regards,--KTR
7) Dear Shri Kishore, Million thanks for your Ganesh Chaturthi Greetings.
The myriads of images of Lord Ganeshji forwarded with mail is mind blowing - a great collection indeed ! Worth circulating to all family members and friends - grateful to you !
May the blessings of Lord Vinayak be showered on you, your family and friends for ever.
Best wishes.== Harish.Ganatra
8) Dear Sri Kishore, Thank you very much for your greetings and blessings for the entire tribe of pensioners on the auspicious occasion of the onset of this Ganesh Chaturthi, the first festival coming in the New Year Nandana Nama Samvatsara in dakshinayanam in the Nija (real) Bhadrapada month shukla paksha Chavithi (Ganesh Chaturthi), with varieties of beautiful Ganesh photographs, followed by 108 names of Lord Ganesha with each of its meaning (probably not known to any one), which is to precede the sacrosanct pronouncement of the SC on 5th October 2012 to the absolute benefit of the whole pensioner fraternity. I heartily reciprocate the same to you and let us all continue praying and await the sacred decree. "The memory of the just is blessed; but the name of the wicked shall rot." - Old Testament. Kind Regards.------Dr.G.Gopalakrishna
9) Dear Sir,
Thanks for the very nice Vinayaka Chathurthi greetings and just before the commencement of our traditional Pooja enabling us to have visual treat of His various forms.
While joining you and all other members of pensioners' community, let me add my fervent prayers to Him to bless us to cross all hurdles in the last lap of our run to our cherished, well-deserved and equitable goal.
Regards,-----SAIRAM, gkswaminathan
10) Dear Sri Kishore,
May the God ward off the obstacles in our getting a favourable judgement in the supreme court !!!!
Thank u for the wonderful mails and tghis one, especially of Ganesha photos so many. I woul;d have preferred to have them as an attachment so that I could preserve them all.
GKrishnaswamy LICPWA Bangalore
11)i)While reciprocating best wishes for Ganesh Chaturthi, I join you in praying Lord Ganesha to fructify your all efforts of many years for updation / revision of pension on 5th Oct. 2012, with categorical verdict in f/o beleaguered Insurance Pensioners.
May I request you to pray for pensioners of RBI, PSU Banks, Financial Institutions like NABARD who have similar experience of Politicians & Bureaucrats?
L R Parab-------Former GS of AIRBOA
11)ii)a)OF COURSE, I DO PRAY FOR ALL FINANCIAL & SERVICE SECTOR WHICH GOVT TREATS WITH CONTEMPT, THO THEY ARE THE REAL KAMADHENUS FOR GOVT. SAD INDEED.
b)LOOK AT THE WAY IN WHICH LAST ONE YEAR IN PARTICULAR GOVT ABANDONED POLICY DECISION. NOW GOVT IS IN A FIX. ANYTHING CAN HAPPEN WITH GUYS LIKE MERCURIAL MAMATA WANTING TO HAVE HER OWN WAY
GOOD ECONOMICS ,FOR THEM, CAN NEVER BE GOOD POLITICS
THAN WHAT IS THE WAY OUT
ALREADY MULAYAM IS HAVING AN EYE FOR PRIMEMINISTERSHIP. SO TOO NARENDRA MODI
c)AMIDST ALL THIS IMBROGLIO, WE ARE THE VICTIMS,
& FM IS NONE ELSE THAN THE MOST CORRUPT CHAP
DR SUBRAMANYA SWAMY & THE LIKE CAN ALONE FIX THEM & DRIVE THEM MAD
Greetings----R.B.KISHORE
12)MANY THANKS FOR YOUR –UNITY IN DIVERSITY.GREAT INDEED---
MESSAGE.THOUGH IT MAY APPEAR TO BE COINCIDENCE,IT MUST BE TREATED AS A
REALITY AND OF MATURE HINDU WAY OF LIFE ,WHICH RESPECTS
,TOLERATES,ENCOURAGES UNHINDERED FLOURISH AND PEACEFUL COEXISTNCE OF
DIFFERENT FAITHS & BELIEFS.
THE MUCH DESIRABLE OUT COME IS THE CHANGE
IN THE MINDSET OF OUR PEOPLE WHICH WAS PERPETUATED BY VESTED INTERESTS
VIZ;THINKING IN TERMS OF TAMILS,TELUGUS, KANNADIGAS ,HINDUS,CHRISTIANS
,MUSLIMS,SIKHS ETC AND NOT INDIANS.THE OBJECTIVE MUST BE TOTAL
INTEGRATION OF SOCIETY INTO ONE INDIAN COMMUNITYAND NO SUBDIVISIONS IN
OUR SOCIETY WHICH WHICH CONTIUES TO BE THE BUSINESS OF SELF CENTRED
POLITICIANS TO GRIND THEIR OWN AXES.
LET US FOSTER OUR NATIONHOOD
ACCORDINGLY AND PRAY GOD TO ANSWER OUR PRAYERS LIKE WISE!!
WITH WARM REGARDS
JALARAMAIAH
13)DEAR Sri RTSwamy,
1)MANY THANX FOR UR YET ANOTHER DONATION TO LEGAL FUND ,RS500BY CHEQUE NO 000065 dt 11/9/2012 ON BOB KKNAGAR,CHENNAI
HOW NICE IT WILL BE, IF OTHERS, IN RESPONSE TO MY CCC APPEAL AFTER CPINDEX & DRSLABS I ANNOUNCE, PA Y VOLUNTAR ILY
IT NEEDS A BIG MIND TO PART WITH
2)LET US ALL PRAY FERVENTLY FOR 5TH OCTOBER POSITIVE DEVPTS IN PENS IONERS FAVOUR
GREETINGS----RBKISHORE
14) Dear RKV,
i)Please do not withdraw the cases without seeing the Jaipur judgment.For a mail that I addressed to Mr Asthana,he replied that this was a case where difference in gratuity was paid, but pension was not revised.He had communicated the HC decision as dictated in the court room.I am still not sure whether, it applies to people like you or whether it applies to people who were covered by the judgment in the gratuity case( retirees of 93-94).
If it is a case applying to Class I officers who retired fro August 1992 to 31/3/1993, then the question of payment of arrears of difference in salary from 1/8/1992 to the date of retirement also will arise.But the judge has only ordered revision of pension w.e.f 1/8/1997 in this case. So we have to see the judgment to get a clear picture.
Kind regards.----CHMahadev an
14)ii)I thank you for conveying the Jaipur court judgement which went in favour of M.C.Jain as i also fit into the same case and could be a beneficiary.The only point over which LIC could reiy upon is that pension is fixed according to the 10 months average basic salary drawn at the time of retirement and therefore the retrospective date for revised salary may not be applicable although the pensioner was in service when the retrspective date came into effect.This argument get nullified by the Supreme court judgement in a similar case under case NO Appeal(Civil)NO 1289/2007 (Para 25) which read :"The revision of scales of pay as also other allowances is technical in nature. When a benefit is extended to group of employees the effect of such benefit if otherwise comes within the purview thereof must be held to be applicable to other group of employees" and the Jaipur court judgement was in tune with this Apex court verdict.
>M/S Kurup and Krishnan who also fall under the above category have filed CWP in Kerala HC.LIC may now take the stand to await the judgement in this court and to their convenience appeal against the Jaipur court judgement.C.S.Murthy was instrumental in filing this case in the Kerala H.C.Would you think that it would be wise for the Petitioners to withdraw their case at this juncture after consulting their counsel and i think Murthi could take the initiative.
I am writing this to u as Murthi is based in Hyderabad and u will be able to get some news .
R.K.Viswanathan
15)i)In our case justice delayed is justice assured.Otherwise, Mr Asthana would not have got a favourable order from Jaipur after 12 years!
We have to have patience trusting GOD.
Kind regards.--CHMahadevan
ii)Dear Sir,
The wheels of the judiciary grinds very slow. No wonder the suit is adjourned. Justice delayed is justice denied.So let us meditate to have more patience.
WITH WARM REGARDS----R.K.VISWANATHAN
16)ONE RANK ONE PENSION FOR ARMY
i)Thank you.The grounds are very strong and comparable to our case.I have also forwarded the ET clipping to you and Mr Asthana besides others.
Regards.—CHMahadevan
ii) AT LAST BETTER SENSE HAD DAWNED INTHE MINDS OFUNION CABINET AND IT IS HOPED THAT THE SAME PRINCIPLE WILL HAVE TO BE APPLIED TO ALLL PENSIONERS WHETHER THEY ARE C.G PENSIONERS OR PUBLIC SECTOR PENSIONERS.FURTHER,THE CABINET DECISION MAY MAKE SUCH MATTTERS EASY FOR COURTS IN WHICH SIMILAR CASES ARE PENDING SINCE A LONG TIME FOR SOME REASON OR OTHER .FORTUNATELY, OUR CASES IN THE COURTS MAY FALL IN THAT CATEGORY.IT MIGHT BE A RELEVANT POINT TO PLACE BEFORE THE RESPECTIVE COURTS AS AND WHEN THE OCCASSIONS ARISE. WITH WARM REGARDS----JALARAMAIAH
17)Dear Sri Kishore, Even though our acquaintance extends to five decades from your coming to Machilipatnam Divisional Office as the second batch direct recruit of 1962 for practical training, whilst I was working at the time as Section Head in the Claims Department of that vast DO in the country itself then, with no officers in between up to ADM level, and although I was knowing and watching your spectacular turn up and feats there afterwards, I didn't have this in depth knowledge of you and your complete profile.
I am now deeply pleased to have a glimpse of your multi-dimensional outstanding achievements through your great, wonderful and brilliant autobiographical sketch and your astounding and exemplary profile of appreciable and enviable character at the same time, -------------------- We all, as you do, nay, every speck of that generation, come from middle class families only or some even from worse state of affairs too, and all, more or less passed through very many similar or even much tragic circumstances, situations, sufferings and experiences. But, “All great men come out of the middle classes.” – Emerson, though converse is not true that all belonging to that classes automatically or compulsorily become big or great.
Persons born with a silver spoon in their mouth do not necessarily make a mark in life. “Some are born great, on some greatness is thrust and some achieve greatness,” said Shakespeare. From all your well-rounded just simply stupendous delineation of yourself, you are not one who was born great nor one on whom greatness was thrust, but you are one who attained such mountainous height of name, fame and greatness only by your sheer dint of hard work and richly deserved your acquisitions and accomplishments, proficiency, expertise and mastery in all walks of life and acquitted yourself so well in every sphere of activity.--------------------- What would more be required by any one than this self-fulfillment of desires in life? You have thus shown and proved, “Every man is the architect of his own fortune.” – Sallust.
Even now your thirst is not yet quenched. You still wanted to do some service to the humanity and the community in line with your characteristic and attitude from student’s life. Though you retired from service by definition of profession, you continue by distinction of voluntary mission to be in the service of those who are now out of service. “He profits more who serves best.” – A.F.Sheldon and “All service ranks the same with God.”– R. Browning.
Kind regards.----------Dr.G.Gopalakrishna
18)Dear Sri B.S.Gopalakrishna (Blore) NOT ONLY , I SPOKE TO RM OS HIMSELF,BUT AFTERNOON, I TALKED TO SMT USHA AS SRI RAMAN WAS NOT IMMLY AVAILABLE.BOTH ARE AOs. I REQ HER TO SEND CONSOLING EMAIL,& AFTER RECEIPT OF ALL REQTS WITH RECEIPTS ETC, TO HAVE LIAISON WITH NEW INDIA
2) is not Sri Subramaniam covered under higher SA ?
NORMALLY, IS IT ADVISABLE TO RETAIN PENSION FILE WITH SZO OR IS IT BETTER TO KEEP IT NEAR WHERE THE PENSIONERS RESIDES
I AM JUST SOUNDING, HE IS THE MAN WHO KNOWS & WHO HAS TO TAKE THE DECISION
U HAVE NOT DISCLOSED HIS ACTUAL COMPLAINT & AILMENT
3)I AM ACCUSTOMED TO READ PAGES & PAGES,FROM MANY MANY INCLUDING BANK PENSIONER FEDNS NOTES ETC WHICH IS MUCH LARGER & CONSISTENT& CONTINUOUS
FOR UR INFO, MY INBOX SHOWS 29367 plus 3437 yet to be seen as they are of secondary importance PLUS bsnl failures or being away from chennai when so many accumulate
Greetings & prayers for sri subramaniam recovery---R.B.KISHORE
19)Dear Sri.Kishore Ji
Congratulations for your successful organisational tour to Thanjvur&salem divisions with Sri.Angurajan and appreciate your efforts in strengthening the Organisation.
Your message with regard to our pension case
in Supreme Court will boost the morale and confidence of LIC
pensioner commuunity.
with warm regards-----jalaramaiah
20)Dear Mr Kishore,
Thank you very much for your mail and the precious copy of the then ED(P)'s letter to Mr Ajit Sharan dt 31st Dec 2001. Now it is official and I need not treat it as confidential any more.I shall circulate the same to all friends in my mailing list.
Kind regards.—CHMahadevan
21)LIC CANNOT WRITE A POSITIVE LETTER DT 31/12/2001 TO MOF JOINT SECRETARY SRI AJIT SHARAN & A FEW TIMES AFTERWARDS RE PENSION UPGR AD ATION & FULL DR & AT ANOTHER TIME,NOW WHEN CORNERED, SAY LIC BOARD RESOLUTION DOES NOT SAY ANYTHING ABOUT PENSION UPGRADATION
I HAVE THAT PRECIOUS COPY WITH ME,I READ IT AGAIN . THERE IS A GLOW IN OUR HEART AS IT HAS RECOMMENDED PENSION UPGRADATION FOR 600,1148 LIFTED TO 1740 CPINDEX.AT THAT TIME, THAT WAS THE CURRENT SITUATION AS OTHER WAGE CHARTERS CAME LATER.I HAVE PLEASURE TO ENCLOSE THE VALUABLE COMMUNICATION.
I ALSO REMEMBER MY TELEPHONIC TALK WITH SRI AJIT SHARAN, THEN JOINT SECRETARY, MOF. MYSELF& SRI CSMURTY MET HIM AT CHENNAI HOTEL AFTER LOT OF WAIT& SEE.
THIS LETTER FROM EDP, LIC CO, SRI R. CHANDRASEKAR WAS WRITTEN TO HIM ONLY.
HOW MANY YEARS HAVE PASSED,HOW LONG ACTIVISTS HAVE BEEN ACTIVE & STRUGGLING ,ALL ONLY FOR THE GOOD & WELFARE OF ALL GROUPS OF PENSIONERS.
HONESTLY, WE WERE DOING A LOT OF HARDWORK FROM THE BEGINNING,LOT OF PUBLIC RELATIONS WE BUILT UP MEETING ALL TOP MGT, LIC & ALL LIC BOARD MEMBERS AT VARIOUS PLACES. AS ALSO LOWEST TO HIGHEST MINISTRY OF FINANCE OFFICIALS.IT WAS ARDUOUS,TIMECONSUMING,HAS TO BE DONE DEFTLY, WE HAD SOUND PREPARATIONS WITH ALL LOSS OF PENSION & OTHER CHARTS.
THIS LIC LETTER TO JT SECRETARY ,MOF WILL CERTAINLY SERVE AS A CLINCHER BOTH DURING INTERIM APPLICATION SUBMISSIONS AS ALSO LATER DURING SLP FINAL TEST---R.B.KISHORE
COLLECTIONS: R.B.KISHORE, VP,AIRIEF 098403 40591 ------------------------------------------------------------------------
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PENSIONERS’ EMAILS & FEEDBACK FROM 1st SEPTEMBER,2012:SeriesNo37
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1)Dear Mr Kishore,
Thank you for your much awaited 'Pensioners' emails & feedback'.Your regular assemblage & transmission of the periodical editions provide a feeling of participating in a virtual conference which is very much needed for the pensioners' fraternity to keep their spirits high.
Your painstaking regularity is indeed admirable and enviable.
Regards.---CHMahadevan
2) I AM REALLY THANKFUL TO HAVE A COPY OF MAIL TO SRI MEHTA GIVING THEREIN YOUR PROFILE. IN FACT I KNOW YOU FROM THE TIME YOU WERE POSTED AS RM(P&IR) AT KOLKATA BUT NOW I COULD KNOW YOUR FULL PROFILE.
YOUR MAILS REALLY ENRICH US. MORE WHEN I GOT LIC NEWS FROM YOU, VIZ., NB FIGURES AS ON 31.03.2012 AND CHAIRMANS' ADDRESS DURING THE SDM'S CONFERENCE. I WOULD BE GRATEFUL AND EVER INDEBTED TO YOU IF YOU KINDLY SEND MORE CORPORATE DEVELOPMENTS IN LIC.
WITH PROFOUND REGARDS-----AKGOSWAMI,KOLKATA
3)PROCEEDINGS OF THE MEETING ON STRATEGIES TO COMBAT CORRUPTION:NANDINI-VOICE FOR THE DEPRIV ED
Dear Sri.Kishore ji, Apparently it is certainly a good get together with good intentions.But foundaations must be firm enough to withstand the load of super structure and strategies need to be evolved forsustainability and durable strength.Who will bell the cat? Certainly not senior citizens as they are riddled with varied geriatric
problems and mostly confined to arm chair mind sets lacking in
feasility and pragmatism
Only idealistic youth free from livelihood botherations
and immune from the omnipresent corrupt milieu of the present day India
i.e.Bharat and uninfluenced by its polluting effects has to run the
gauntlet of the present decadent situation that we suffer from.Such
breed of youth are difficult to find , only a long term planning with a
missionary zeal is the prerequisite for success in this patriotic
movement.with warm regards-----jalaramaiah
4)Dear Sir, This is with reference to your email you sent to Shri Kishore Sahab,
I have read the draft of Charter of Demand prepared by Shri R B Kishore. It is drafted in a nice manner. It not only covers the demands of the pensioners but also gives a convincing reasoning for each demand.
I compiled the charter of demand on the basis of Banks Charter which was forwarded by Shri Kishore along with some earlier mail. Most of the demands are based on the resolutions passed in the Ujjain General Council Meeting.
Now. since a comprehensive, rational and logical charter is prepared by Shri Kishore Sahab, it should be submitted without making any change and at the earliest possible.
Regards,-----M P Agnihotri.
5)Dear Shri Kishore, This is a land mark judgement by the apex court and coming at the appropriate time when Asthana's suit is in the melting pot awaiting SC verdict in his favour, nay in favour of every pensioner for whom he waged a relentless battle at the cost of his health and finance.The most important part of the judgement as far as we are concerned is the apex court directive to the UOI to pay interest at the rate of 6% from 1-1-2006 to all the officers whether or not they have filed any petition before any of the High courts. The Bench directed that all pending petitions before any of the High courts by similarly placed officers be governed by this order. This sets at rest all the controversies being talked about.
---R.K.Viswanathaan
6)Dear Kishoreji,
I have seen your mail on SC`s decision on payment of arrears
to Army officers.It is a very good news for us to expect
in similar lines on our pending issues.
Let us hope and pray good things happen to the glee of every one
With regards------R.Srnivasan
7)Dear Sri Kishore,
I entirely agree with Sri Mahadevan on the point of “Pensioners’ E-mails & Feed Back,” resembling partaking in a practical assembly of retirees every fortnight, just as video conferences held in various offices for in-service executives, with the difference that in the former, there is amusement, fun and enjoyment and in the latter, there are impositions and answerability, making them tense and apprehensive and be on their toes. The pensioners look to them with eagerness and refreshing enthusiasm from the comfort of their home.
R K Laxman once remarked: “Readers of the Times of India every morning look at my ‘You said it’ cartoon with amusement for less than half a minute. To give them this daily pleasure the toil that I would have undergone the previous day one will hardly know.”
Somewhat akin is the plight of the compiler and organizer of the fortnightly pensioners’ e-mails and feed back bulletin released every fortnight promptly and with precision by you, in between, with so many multifarious self- designed and imposed projects and activities set before you, like pensioners’ charter of demands, suggestions for pensioners’ portal etc. to name only a few, besides assisting Sri Asthana in ever so many ways on the legal front, plus as is and as if not sufficient and free, most laborious and time-consuming CCC every month, which requires only an eagle eye and a razor sharp brain and nothing short of it, ever many times even at the burning of the midnight oil too. The bulletin of the fortnight, as it is appeared, is no doubt the delight of the readers but it might not be realized that the compiler had gone through a sort of struggle, exertion and effort through out the fortnight with a spate of mails pouring in, day in and day out, collecting, selecting and compiling, orderly putting forth them in a methodical, systematic and appropriate manner and way of presenting them as a well prepared and beautifully finished product to the sweet pleasure of the reader pensioners as a sort of relaxation, recreation and rejuvenation for one and all. It is perplexing how God is injecting and reinforcing that extraordinary energies and strength in you to withstand such enormous amount of strain and carry out all your endeavours in a record way! “God, the Great Giver, can open the whole universe to our gaze in the narrow space of a single lane.” – Tagore.
With regards,---Dr.G.Gopalakrishna
8)Dear Friends of AISCCON ,There are two important websites which you may visit regularly to learn about AISCCON activities.
1. http://www.aisccon.org
In this website most recently details of AISCCON Awards for 2012 - Awards, details, application forms are are given at:
http://www.aisccon.org/?page_id=1158
The last date for receipt of applications is 25th September 2012. THEREFORE THIS IS URGENT.
2. You may be aware that Senior Citizens National Protest Day 2012 observed on 16th August 2012 all over India has started yielding results. There is a website at:
http://scnpd-2012.posterous.com/
This was started exclusively to provide ongoing information on all activies through out India on SCNPD. As of now there are more than 60 messages / posts including a large number of photographs, press clippings, news items, messages from organisers / JAC etc . In fact the collection must be much larger. For some reason the website is not popularly accessed by all concerned.
Kindly go through the web site and learn what has happened. We want to post info on after-SCNPD follow up, impact etc. Please do send me any news you may have about your town / city/ state etc. Comments / feedback is welcome.
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Kindly visit the above websites periodically. Suggestions for improvement are welcome.
ThanksDr P Vyasamoorthy, Joint Secretary - AISCCON30 Gruhalakshmi Colony Secunderabad 500015 Ph 040-27846631 / 9490804278
9)i)Re: DONATIONS TO SRI KML ASTHANA TO FIGHT THE CASE IN SUPREME COUIRT.
From: skmahapatra2000@gmail.com
GICPA IS SOON GOING TO APPROVE CONTRIBUTION SOON.= S..K.MAHAPATRA
ii)An amount of Rs 3000 was credited to Mr KMLAsthana's SBI account today..
The following pensioners have given the amount.
1.M.Bakthavatsalam FM Retd 1000/- 2.E.Subramanyam naidu DO Retd. 1000/-
3,V.Raghuraman FM Retd. 1000/-
Thank you for the mails sent.Pl keep sending them along with info about the case.
With regards----- Raghuraman
10)HAIL & GREET THE GOOD NEWS! IT IS CERTAINLY A
WELCOME EVENT TO ALL RIGHT THINKING CITIZENS.UOI HAS PLENTY OF MONEY FOR PROFLIGACY TO WIN ELECTIONS AND NOT FOR DESERVING CAUSES OF ARMED FORCES WHO ARE READY TO SACRIFICE THEIR LIVES FOR THE NATION.PATRIOTIC CITIZENS OF INDIA WILL FEEL PROUD OF THE JUDGEMENT.UOI HAS TO RESPOND TO IT IN A DIGNIFIED MANNER THOUGH BELATED .
IT IS A HAPPY PRECURSOR TO OUR LEGAL FIGHT IN
THE SUPREME COURT! EXPECT MANY MORE SUCH UPRIGHT VERDICTS OF THE HONOURABLE SUPREME COURT IN FUTURE !!
WITH WARM REGARDS AND GREETINGS---JALARAMAIAH
11)i)Dear Mr Kishore,
YOU ARE QUITE CORRECT! WHATEVER DIFFERENT INDIVIDUALS/ASSOCIATIONS MAY EXPRESS ARE MATTERS OF JUDGMENT/OPINION/SURMISE CONSISTENT WITH THEIR OWN RESPECTIVE PERCEPTIONS.BUT WHAT MR ASTHANA HAS ACHIEVED SO FAR THROUGH HIS 14 YEAR LEGAL STRUGGLE FOR THE BENEFIT OF 100% OF THE PENSIONERS IS A MATTER OF INDISPUTABLE FACT.
IT IS EASY TO JUDGE WHO ENJOYS MORE CREDIBILITY!
Regards.--CHMahadevan
ii)BUT WHEN THE SC BENCH ORDERS/VERDICTS ON 5TH OCT 2012 RE IA in SLP ,THAT CLARITY SHD DISPEL DOUBTS & WHEN FINALLY, LITTLE LATER LIC HAS FINAL R ECOURSE TO SLP & THAT ALSO IS DEFEATED & DISMISSED, WHAT CAN UNIONS DO EXCEPT TO SWALLOW THE BENEFIT GLADLY BESTOWED AFTER 14 YEAR KURUKSHETRA WAR
ALL GOSSIP, RUMOURS, PENSION UPGRADATION AFTE R 1/8/2012 ONLY, IF AIIPA TALKS BUT NOT SPECIFIED IN THEIR CHARTER, IT ONLY SHOWS THEY HAVE SUCCUMBED TO PENSION UPGR AD ATION POSSIBILITY WHICH THEY WERE RULING OUT E ARLIER WITH LIMITED DR FULL FOR PR E-8/97 RETIREES TOTALLY NEGLECTING ALL POST-8/97 PENSIONERS A GROWING TRIBE ----RBKISHORE
iii) Re: Fwd: Music to LIC Pensioners-SC Directs Centre to pay Rs1600 cr. Arrears to Army Officers SIR,I HAVE DEMANDED ARREARS FOR ALL THOSE WHO RETIRED UPTO 31/7/2007
BUT THOSE WHO RETIRED ON OR AFTER 1/8/2007 THEY HAVE ALREADY GOT THE
REVISION OF PENSIONS THEREFORE FOR THE PRESENT NOTHING EXTRA
IS PAYABLE. THEIR CASE WILL RIPE ONLY FROM 1/8/2012 FROM WHICH
DATE THE NEW PAYSCALES WILL COME. BUT IN VIEW OF THE JUDGMENT
THEIR CASES WILL AUTOMATICALLY BE COVERED UNLESS THE UNIONS
DO NOT AGREE OTHERWISE---KML ASTHANA
12) i)SOUND EXPOSITION,IRREFUTABLE LOGIC,VERY RATIONAL, BUT --WHY ARE U SYMPATHETIC TO LIC, LET US D EMAND ARREARS with interest,EVEN FOR 1/8/2007-31/7/2012 AS EMPLOYEES GET/GOT 30.THIS TIME 36 MONTHS ARREARS DUE TO SC/ST PROBLEMS IN 8/2010 ITSELF.WE MUST GET, MORE SO AS OURS IS A CONTINUUM FROM YESTERYEARS UNLIKE EMPLOYEES WHICH IS REGULAR 5 YEAR WAGE REVISION SO d )can be amended,I feel
YES, 3 MONTHS TIME GIVEN BY SC, EVEN THOSE WHO HAVE NOT FILED PETITIONS ETC COME UNDE R THIS BENEFIT ,CORRECT PERSPECTIVE AS IT OUGHT TO BE
SRI ASTHANA'S HANDS GET STRENGTHENED BY THESE INTERIM GOLDEN GEMS
GREETINGS-----RBKISHORE
12(ii)Dear Kishore
In a judgement dt. 4-9-2012, relating to Indian Armed Forces, a bench of Justices R.M. Lodha, T.S.Thakur and AR Dave directed CGto APPROPRIATELY FIX RANK PAY, introduced to pay them a little more than their civilian counterparts to attract youth to make a career in the Armed forces,and DISBURSE ARREARS since 1-1-1986. This is music to the ears of all LIC Pensioners.
The grievance of officers in Armed forces arose from the WRONG FIXATION of RANK PAY as awarded by the 4th Pay comm.,in which the element of Rank Pay was introduced for ranks from Captain to Brigadier in the Army and their equivalent ranks in the Airforce and Navy, in addition to pay in the integrated scale.
It was Major Dhanapalan who petitioned the Kerala HC who had directed CG for proper fixation of Rank Pay from 1-1-1986,and payment of arrears with 6% interest.HC in their Order of 8-3-2010agreedwith Kerala HC. The CG’s application for modification of above SC order stands rejected by the 3-member Bench of SC on 4-9-12 and the CG has been asked to pay interest of 6% to be calculated from 1-1-2006(the dt. Of implementation of 6th Pay Comm. Recommendations)
Many of the principles & equity the matter of pay& compensation contained in the above SC directive shd. Be equally applicable to our LIC pensioners’ case now pending with SC.:
The grievance of the Army officers arose from “wrong fixation of Rank Pay.” In our case the grievances are:
a. wrong fixation of DR from commencement of pensionscheme (rectification of DA-DR anomalyformula,
b. non-implementation of LIC Board Resolution of 24-11-20001,
c. artificial bifurcation of pensioners into pre-1997 and post1997 pensioners with the sole view to shut all future benefits to the pre1997 retirees which is discriminatory.
d. no automatic revision for pensioners with every wage revision(1997,2002,2007,..) for in-service employees,(e)unsympathetic attitude and (f)delaying tactics followed by LIC Mgmt. & CG against a small number of pensioners who are becoming closed category and a vanishing species, many of whom are very aged and in their 70s and 80s.
All the Court verdicts are in favour of LIC pensioners, ie, the pattern(or %) of DR for pensioners should, be the same as that of in-service employees, LIC Board Resolution of 24-11-2001 should. Be implemented w.e.f. that date, all pensioners form one single group only and cannot be divided into pre1997 and post 1997 groups for purposes of benefits accruing to them and that there should. Be simultaneous revision of pension for all retirees whenever there is a revision of pay for in-service employees.
Hence can we reasonably expect the following directions in our favour from SC to CG & LIC Mgmt?
Wage revisions in CG take place once in 10 years, and SC has directed the CG to disburse the arrears since 1-1-1986(ie the dt.of implementation of 4th Pay Comm.) and to pay interest of 6% to be calculatedfrom 1-1-2006(the date of implementation of 6th Pay Comm). In LIC, wage revisions take place once in 5 yrs,wef1-8-97, 1-8-2oo2, 1-8-2007 and so on.
I think we can claim interest on arrears as under:
(a) The arrears arising out of rectification of DA-DR anomaly payable from date of retirement of the LIC pensioners to24-11-2001(dt. Of LIC Board Resolution) to be arrived at and interest at 6% payable on that amount we f24-11-2001 up to date of disbursement of arrears;
(b) The arrears arising out of revision of pension wef1-8-97 to 31-7-2002 as also amounts due arising out of implementation of Board Resolution of 24-11-2001 to be arrived at and interest at 6%payable on that amount wef 24-11-2001 to the date of disbursement of arrears;
(c) The arrears arising out of revision of pension wef 1-8-2002 to 31-7-2007 is payable with interest at 6% wef 1-8-2002 to date of disbursement of arrears;
(d) We may not now claim interest on arrears arising out of revision of pension wef 1-8-2007 to 31-7-2012 if the arrears in toto are paid before the end of 2012.
There are different streams of arrears due to us as given above from (a) to (d) . I have tried to be rational to arrive at the DIFFERENT EFFECTIVE DATES from which interest of 6% is to be claimed for the different streams of arrears. Am I sounding logical? Also the fact that wage revisions for CG are once in 10 years, while are once in 5 yrs. also creates some headache. You may examine and I am sure U will find a reasonable solution.
It must be noted that tho it was Major Dhanapalan who petitioned Kerala HC, it is stated that SC order dt. 4-9-2012 would apply to all officers of army, navy, and airforce, both serving and RETIRED, irrespective of whether they filed petition in court or the Armed Forces Tribunal. In abiding by SC order, CG could face a liability of close to Rs.1600 crores.
What is more, in the above case the SC has given a deadline of 3 MONTHS ONLY to CG for disbursement of arrears to the army officers. Our numbers being much smaller, the deadline should be a shorter period for the settlement of LIC pensioners’ arrears.
I hope and pray that all our pensionary arrear claims are fully settled and arrears fully disbursed to us before the end of this year 2012. -------R.V.RAMESH
12)iii)SIR WE HAVE ALREADY HAD THE EARLIER DECISION IN OUR CASE
AND THIS CASE WILL FORTIFY OUR ARGUMENTS---ASTHANA
12)iv)ARREARS FROM 1/1/86
6% INTEREST FROM 1/1/2006
APPLICABLE TO ALL SIMILARLY PLACED ARMY,NAVY & AIRFORCE
SO MUCH OF LOGIC MAY BE SAME FOR OUR SC CASE TOO, RE OLDER EFFECTIVE DATE ,ALL PENSIONERS, NOT PETITIONERS, & PENSION UPGRADATION
2) ALSO THE UINDERLINED SENTENCES BELOW MAKE SENSE EXISTING & RETIRED, AS IT COVERS A LONG PERIOD OF 20 YRS & MANY WLD HAVE RETIRED,SO PENSIONERS TOO GET REFIXATION OF THAT REVISED PAY , FOR THE CIRCUMSTANCES NARRATED THEREIN --DIFFERNCE IN CIVILIAN & ARMY CADRES ETC, OK
3) ALSO SEE MY EMAIL OF 20 JULY,2012 --ONE RANK ONE PENSION--GOOD NEWS UNDER THE HEADING --RESULT OF MEETING ON 18 JULY ON ONE RANK ONE PENSION ETC,THE COMMITTEE WAS TO SUBMIT THE REPORT BY AUG 8TH. PM NEVER ANNOUNCED ANYTHING ON AUG 15, REPORT ITSELF WLD NOT HAVE COME--ONLY COALGATE REPORTS PERHAPS:SO THAT FINAL IS STILL OUTSTANDING. MUSIC TO THE EARS IS " For the uninitiated, the One-Rank-One-Pay scheme implies that uniform pension be paid to the armed forces personnel retiring in the same rank with the same length of service irrespective of their date of retirement, and any future enhancement in the rates of pension be automatically passed on to past pensioner "--SOUND LOGIC INDEED HON SINGHVI & HON MUKHO SHD LISTEN, THAT IS ALL !! S/SRI ASTHANA & R.K,SINGH MUST WHISPER IN THEIR EARS !!! ALSO THE LATEST SC VERDICT RE PAY FIXATION 20 YRS ARREARS & INTEREST, WA !
4)FOR ALL THE PAINS WE HAVE UNDERTAKEN & THE LEGAL LANGUAGE WE LEARNT , THE LINGUAFRANCA OF SC ,TERMINOLOGIES & SHIBBOLETHS WE MASTERED, & WE DIGESTED THE PENSION RULES MORE THOROUGHLY THAN EVER BEFORE, SC MUST GRANT ALL PENSIONERS THEIR TRUE, MODEST, LEGITIMATE DEMANDS OF PENSION UPGRAD TION WITH FULL DR , AS AN UPRIGHT COURT UPHOLDING FUNDAMENTAL RIGHTS & SPRINGBOARD FOR PENSIONERS GREETINGS,------R.B.KISHORE
12)v)This is a very good news and we have every reason to be happy over this. I firmly believe that the days are not far away when in our case also such things will happen. The relentless efforts and moves and the continuous legal battles backed by the determined senior citizens of our industry can not go in vain.
IN SERVICE,WE HAVE SERVED THE CUSTOMERS AND RAISED LIC TO THE HEIGHT OF EVEREST,
OUT OF SERVICE WE WILL HAVE THEIR BLESSINGS TILL WE TRIUMPH,WE CANNOT REST.-------- Santimay Kar
13) i)Poet Kannadasan on Kanchi Mahaperiyava : If Mahaperiyava is a saint with divinity,poet Kannadasan is a poet with divinity with his simple prowess of deeply meaningful poetic compositions.
When Kannadasan has given his description of the Mahaswami it cannot be just casual.If Mahaperiava is an ascetic of spiritual reverence,Kannadasan although in Grihasthasrama had the streaks of spirituality in him as a poet amply demonstrated to the Tamil film music lovers of our generation.It is great that he has educated the masses on the greatness of Mahaswami as a spiritual guide , master and leader irrespective of the castes of the people at large. Regards.---CHMahadevan
ii) Very good appreciation from a wellknown person in cine and literary field---------rthiruvengadaswamy
14)Articles on Mahakavi Bharathi: I thoroughly enjoyed this mail carrying useful information and insights into the hoary past of Indian state and, more than that, the Indian civilization which may not be fully known to many like myself. Thanks for sending this piece.---K.Gopalan
15)i)Dear Mr Ashok,
Thanks a lot for your appreciation mail.The purpose of my exercise is only to provide a corroborative logic to the legally strong ground with which Mr Asthana is fighting the case of pensioners for upgradation.
I have sent a copy to Mr Asthana and hope that he will make good use of it additionally to convince Supreme Court of the injustice being suffered by pensioners all these long years.
Kind regards---C.H.Mahadevan
ii)What a work! Wow!
Logic doesn't work with those in the dominant position. But judiciary will surely appreciate this work that shows statistically the plight of the retired in times of biting inflation of two and a half decades and a growing age during the same period.
We are all grateful to you for giving cerebral strength to pensioners' long struggle.
regards,---------ashok wadikar
iii)I send a Chart prepared by me showing the yawning gap between the average rate of annual increase in in-service salaries and gross pension of retirees over 15,10 and 5 years as at 1/8/2012 despite linking of DR with pension.I have already sent it to Mr G.N.Sridharan.
It will be clear therefrom that the so called 100% DR neutralisation applicable to pensioners retired from 1/8/1997 is in fact a myth.
Nothing short of upgradation of pension with every wage revision will result in 100% DR neutralsation in the long run.Interestingly the gap is highest in respect of pensioners who retired between 1/8/2002 and 31/7/2007.5 or 10 years down the line they are going to be the hardest hit in terms of disparities.
It is therefore high time that we focused on wholesale upgradation of pension rather than on the truncated benefit for the pre-August 1997 retirees only.
Such a focus will help 100% of pensioners and avoid division of the whole population of pensioners along the dividing line of retirement date.
Kind regards.-----C.H.Mahadevan
16) Jaipur Court
Writ 1454 of 2009.
Justice M.N.Bhandari.
Regards,
T.R.Madhava Rao.
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iii)SHRI ASTHANA JI, REALLY IT IS A MATTER OF PLEASURE TO ALL THE PENSIONERS. THIS IS A CERTIFICATE THAT PENSIONER'S FUTURE IS SAFE AND BRIGHT IN THE HANDS OF A PERSON LIKE YOU.CONGRATULATIONS TO YOU FOR YOUR GRAND VICTORY. HATS OFF TO YOU. THANKS.
V.C.JAIN
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ii)HEARTIEST CONGRATULATIONS TO SRI ASTHANA ON THIS YET ANOTHER VICTORY
IT APPEARS VICTORY & SUCCESS CHASE HIM WHEREVER HE GOES !
THIS IS A SIGNIFICANT DEVELOPMENT & A WORTHWHILE IMPROVEMENT
IT IS GRATIFYING THAT WHEN IT COMES TO RETIREMENT BENEFITS IN ANY FORM, COURTS ALWAYS
SUPPORT THE RETIREE/PENSIONER & SO RIGHTLY COURT DIRECTED TO REVISE THE PAY OF SRI
M.C JAIN(RM)& ALSO PENSION ACCORDINGLY.
THIS IS A VERY POSITIVE DEVELOPMENT & BRINGS HAPPY PORTENTS FOR FUTURE
PRE-1992 PAY & PENSION & POST-1992 PAY & PENSION WILL MAKE ALL THE DIFFERENCE
SAME WAVE MUST BE EXHIBITED IN SC ALSO, IS OUR SINCERE PRAYERS.
GREETINGS,----R.B.KISHORE
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i)From: asthana_jaipur ASTHANA
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2012 8:51 PM
Subject: writ petition on fixation of pay of the officers retiring in 1992-1993
i)I have pleasure to inform you that today the writ petition which
was being contested by me in the name of Shri MC Jain on
the subject of fixation of pay has been allowed and it has been
directed to revise the pay of Shri MC Jain as on 1/8/1997 and
pension accordingly. Shri MC Jain having retired as RM during
the period when pay scales were revised in 1992-1993 but arrears
were not paid ,was drawing pension at the pre-1992 pay.
---------asthana
iv)Great development! Another feather in the cap of Mr Asthana, the great crusader.Let us hope wisdom dawns on LIC not to appeal against the judgment.
Kind regards.----CHMahadevan
v)Dear Shri Asthana, Bouquets to you for your untiring efforts and relentless legal battle for the justifiable cause of the LIC pensioners. But for your courage and effort, we as a class would have been hibernating and taking recourse in the philosophy of destiny.Your victory in the M.CJain case in the Jaipur HC.as well as your own so far added one more feather to your illustrious cap. The bugle will be sounded on the 5 TH OCT when the SLP will be heard and in all fairness put the appellant in a tight spot, unable to wriggle out of it and at least at this juncture sanity and maturity should prevail and the UPA Government, the architect of the National litigation policy retrieves it from the cold storage and honour its own policy and put an end to the litigation. --R.K.VISWANATHAN
vi)It is a real achievement against many odds and bottlenecks. I am sure, more and more such judgments will be delivered in the days to come. We should all thank Mr. Asthana for his untiring efforts in this regard. With best wishes and love,----K.R. Arunachalam.
vii)One more feather is added in the cap of Asthanaji.Many more colourful feathers will be added.We are waiting to celebrate------Subir Kumar Mazumder
viii)A very gratifying development indeed in the quest for justice to LIC pensioners-retirees. Hopefully, this judgment should put at rest all the hesitations and apprehensions which may lie in the minds of various law courts as to their relative jurisdiction to try and deliver much needed as well as much delayed justice to poor and helpless pensioners.—Kgopalan
ix)RESPECTED SH. ASTHANA JI, ONE MORE GOOD NEWS HAS COME THROUGH YOU ABOUT YOUR VICTORY RESULTING IN A COURT VERDICT REG REFIXATION OF PENSION OF SH. M.C.JAIN ON BASIS OF WAGE REVISION OF 1992-93 THEREBY GIVING LOT OF HOPES TO ALL RETIREES ABOUT THEIR PENSION UPGRADATION. HEARTIEST CONGRATS TO YOU FOR THIS GREAT SUCCESS AND WE ARE SURE THAT YOU WILL CONTINUE YOUR BATTLE AHEAD WITH RENEWED DETERMINATION OUR BEST WISHES TO YOU FOR WINNING IN SUPREME COURT FINALLY. REGARDS,------B.R.MEHTA
x)THIS IS YET ANOTHER FEATHER IN THE CAP OF SHRI.ASTHANA OF WHICH HE MAY MUST DERIVE SENSE OF FULFILMENT AND ACHIEVEMENT.MANY SUCH ACHIEVEMENTS ARE IN STORE FOR HIM.THIS SIGNIFIES THE SHADOW OF EVENTS THAT ARE ROUND THE CORNER IN THE SUPREME COURT
WITH MY WARM REGARDS----JALARAMAIAH
xi)Dear Kishoreji, Many many thanks for an instantaneous response and so detailed one at that. Your thoroughness of issues is ever so impressive.
I have the same feeling as you about my case. I will check the situation, however, as you advise.
How would it have been if I had joined NIA 8 months later?
In Marathi they say, how would that have been if the aunt had the mostache
whenever we think in ifs and buts!
Thanks again, and with love---ashok wadikar
xii)Dear Mr.Kishore , I thank you very much for conveying the good news of Mr. Jain winning the case indicating the subsequent events to follow.Let the month of october be an optimistic one to make this Diwali a memorable one. Let us sincerely pray for good events to succeed. with regards ----R.srinivasan..
COLLECTIONS by R.B.KISHORE,VP,AIRIEF
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PENSIONERS’ EMAILS & FE EDBACK FROM 16 AUGUST,2012 :SERIES No.36Saturday, September 1, 2012 6:54 PM
From: This sender is DomainKeys verified"Seetha And Kishore"
-1)1)Dear sri kishore,
I have seen your article on insurance. it is very informative and interesting. congrats.
i have also seen the other emails regarding the court cases on pensioners
da and revision.thank you very much for sending the above information.
with regards,
--------e.n.krishnamoorthy.
2)i)Thanks dear Rao for the inf.
It s encouraging ,
and perhaps for the first time AIIEA has clearly
& rightly put pensioners demand in their charter.
However, this issue will be solved by the Supreme Court
only and we all pray and wish for an early positive directions
from the HON'BL SC on Sh KML Asthana's petitions.
HK AGGARWAL
ii)Sir, The Charter of Demands submitted by AIIEA, I am just quoting the relevant
part concerns to the pensioners at large.
“RETIREMENT BENEFITS
PROVIDENT FUND/ PENSION
Contribution to PF shall be at the rate of 10% of the revised pay and with equal
contribution by the employer to the PF/Pension fund as the case may be.
All the employees shall be governed under the 1995 Pension Scheme.
Every employee shall be eligible for full pension after completing 20 years of
service. There shall be up gradation of pension after every wage settlement.
DA neutralisation shall be 100% to all the employees retired before August,
1997.”
The above is the exact wording used in the CHARTER OF DEMANDS OF AIIEA.
WITH GREETINGS, ---L S R KRISHNA RAO
3)Friends The arduous & gruelling legal fight being gallantly and successfully fought for the last 14 yrs. by Sh KML Asthana,
supported by AIRIEF and all pensioners has reached its final stage and the victory goal is in sight.
At this stage excitement & anxiety are but natural. We have to calmly wait and watch and shun any rumours. Sh Asthana and learned counsels are leaving no stone unturned to ensure favourable judgement from the Hon’able Supreme Court. REMAIN UNITED AND EXTEND WHOLE HEARTED SUPPORT FOR THE COMMON CAUSE. Regards,--HK AGGARWAL.
DONATIONS/contributions can also be deposited for Legal Fund in Sh.KML Asthana,'s Bank account Number
20090338283 - State Bank of India, Branch code 05869, Hatwara Road, Opp ESI Dispensary No. 4, Jaipur-302001.
ADDRESS OF SH KML ASTHANA: B-8, Shanti Nagar, Ajmer Road, Jaipur-302006
4)Information received from Planning Commission:
Planning Commission vide their letter no. M-11012/4/2011-SJ & SW dt 9-7-12 received on 17-8-12 in reply to RTI Appeal has sent a Report of XII Five Year Plan (2012-17) Working Group on ``Social Welfare``(October, 2011), which gives the following important information about provisions recommended for Senior Citizens in XII th Plan with justification. XII th Plan is not yet finalized and notified.
1. Non-Scheme Recommendations:
a) Para 2.9.1: Need for setting up a Separate Department of Senior Citizens is recommended.
b) Para 2.9.2: Need for Setting up a National Commission for Senior Citizens is recommended.
c) Para 2.9.11: A Weekly Programme of One Hour Duration should be introduced in Doordarshan on various issues & concerns relating to senior citizens viz Health Care, Security, need for care & maintenance etc.
2. Para 2.8.3: Rashtriya Swasthya Bima Yojna (RSBY): To provide insurance to the extent of Rs 1 lakh in place of existing Rs 30000. Provision recommended Rs 2500 crore.
3. Para 2.8.5: Enhanced Monthly Pension under Indira Gandhi National Old Age Pension (IGNOPAS): Present amount of Rs 200 from Central Govt should be increased to Rs 500 p.m. to those below 80 and amount of Rs 500 to be enhanced to Rs 1000 p.m. to above 80 with efforts to be made to ensure that all States/UTs give matching share. Provision: Rs. 84000 crore.---M.V.RUPARELIA
5)Dear Shri RBK,
It is very amazing and very kind of you to remember me on the auspicious Ramzaan Day. The Ramzaan Greeting Collections are simply superb. I wish to sincerely reciprocate the sentiments expressed therein to you. Thank you once again.
With Best Wishes and Regards. ----J.M. Aboobucker London
6)Dear Shri.Asthana
Many thanks for your response. Patience is not an issue at all in my responses to your communication about our case in the S.C.My thoughts are about fixing priorities with regard to our plans for action in the court to derive benefits in an expeditious manner.My apprehensions are that LIC may take shelter technically keeping SLP pending with ulterior motive as it may serve its purpose of dithering on our issues .Of course , I strongly believe that you know the ground realties better being in the fore front of action on the legal front. As such, ultimately it is left to your discretion to act in an appropriate manner keeping these things in proper perspect ive Please be careful about your health
With warm regards------Jalaramaiah
7)I fully appreciate the strenuous battle being fought by Mr Asthana and the team efforts by the leaders It is a pious cause and the continued communication keeps us awake and in touch with our fraternity . Please keep us in touch with the latest developments. Thanks a lot. We stand by the efforts of the team and convey congratulations. Buck up; success is waiting you hard work !—------ ------A.D.Arora
8)Dear Mr Asthana,
i)Your reply is appropriate.After all you are the person who has taken the initiative 14 years ago and brought the matter to such a positive state.All pensioner colleagues should wait for a logical positive outcome allowing things to proceed the way you are taking them forward with your own history of success so far.
Kind regards and wishing you the best of health & luck,---C.H.Mahadevan
ii)Dear Shri Ravipati,I appreciate your views but it would have been better if some methodsare suggested for further expediting the matter. I have no control onthe sickness of the Judge, I have no control on the Respondents tryingone way or the other for delaying the matter. But it should be appreciatedI have been able to obtain five judgments in three courts within a periodof two years, what more is expected. I am doing my best to get thematter decided, but I would appreciate if it is informed as to where I havelacked and what more can be done.KML Asthana
9)Respected Sh.Asthana Ji, Your thinking is absolutely clear and correct and we are totally with you. Pl carry on your fight for sake of all lic retirees against a very casual and indifferent attitude of our top management consisting of one chairman and three md's who themselves are enjoying fruits of pension upgradation on basis of pay commissions reports for central govt employees as well as retirees whereas same benefit is being denied by this group of four to their own colleagues who are giving their best to them for which they claim all credits and benefits from Govt of India.
with our best wishes for your grand success,--b.r.mehta ,panchkula
10)Most of the retirees feel that they are condemned.But you are learning and enjoying life and sharing it with others.I am really enjoying your emails. Regards -- V.Ramam.
11)DEAR SRI NAGARAJAN,
1)I AM GLAD TO ACKNOWLEDGE RECEIPT OF UR KIND LETTER DT 18/8/12 WITH
CHEQUE 162740 DT 17/8/12 ON KARUR VYSYA BANK,CHENNAI CCO for Rs2000 TOWARDS
LEGAL FUND U WILL GET THE RECEIPT FROM OUR TREASURER,SRI R.KANNAN,DM(Retd)
2)ur letter rightly breathes optimism AS THE FACTS OF THE CASE ARE IN OUR FAVOUR
3)YES, AS APEX COURT HAS TO BE A REAL SUPREME COURT, IF EQUITY & JUSTICE FOR DESERVING PENSIONERS ,HAS TO PREVAIL, WE MUST WIN HANDS DOWN.
IT SHALL BE OUR PLEASURE TO SEE U AT OUR RESIDENCE AS A MARK OF JUBILATION
GREETINGS & WARM REGARDS,----RBKISHORE
12)I have the proud privilege and pleasure of having a look at the counter affidavit of Chairman with the valuable comments of revered Sri C.H. Mahadevan.
The Chairman’s counter is no doubt very competently drafted and that much of protection and defence was expected and called for on their part, for the violent, vehement and effective contempt petition filed by Sri Asthana, though everything what they stated were not all fool-proof and correct. Ever so many things they misconstrued and misinterpreted confused and side-tracked the issues ignorantly to an extent that the court also may take quite some time to understand what is what and arrive at a proper conclusion. SC only has to hit and teach them a lesson.
Sri Mahadevan’s comments are all very nice and apt, worthy of his caliber and station, exposing the illogicality of LIC’s reasoning and they would go a long way and do well with Sri Asthana to prepare himself further on, not that he does not know, but they would alert him, supplement and serve as a good guidance for him to face the opponent on the fateful day in the battle-field. If only of Sri Mahadevan’s or yourselves’ well-versed and well-informed persons were there in the Central Office at the helm of affairs, pensioners’ matters would have been settled long back without any court hassles, hurdles and hitches! But as I mentioned elsewhere earlier in another context, such men are now wanting and incompetence, incomprehension, inefficiency, ignorance and dependency rules over the day everywhere and LIC is no exception. “O judgement! Thou art fled to brutish beasts, And men have lost their reason.” – Shakespeare: Julius Caesar. Nevertheless, justice prevails and stands to reason. “Justice is an unassailable fortress, built on the brow of a mountain which cannot be overthrown by the violence of torrents, nor demolished by the force of armies.” The Koran. Let us all hope for the best and pray to God! Kind regards.----Dr.G.Gopalakrishna
13)PREFACE :AIRIEF PROUDLY PRESENTS CHARTER OF DEMANDS TO LIC CHAIRMAN, WITH ALL HUMILITY & MODESTY, AS A CRUCIAL LIMB & A LIVING ORGANISATION – OF, BY & FOR PENSIONERS----
IN SERVICE TO THOSE WHO ARE NOT IN SERVICE
AIRIEF DESIRES & DREAMS ARE REALISTIC & PRAGMATIC, IN TUNE WITH POSITIVE & PROGRESSIVE DEVELOPMENTS & THINKING ON ELDERS & SR CITIZENS SPECIAL & UNIQUE REQUIREMENTS
AIRIEF HOPES & ASPIRATIONS HINGE ON AN EMPATHETIC CONCERN & WELFARE FOR PENSIONERS/FAMILIES WITH A STRONG BOND OF PARTNERSHIP IN A CONSTRUCTIVE FASHION TO RESHAPE THE LIVES OF THIS GROWING TRIBE. 25/8/2012
------R.B.KISHORE
14)Respected Kishore ji,
This is really a very innovative laborious, tiring and wonderful attempt by you even at this elderly age.
Whether this has been submitted or ,it is to be refurbished with the suggestions from others. I may request you to include excursion allowance for the pensioners on the pattern of LTC for the serving employees. Replied immly: ITEM XII) iii)already there
Thanks
----HARBHAJAN SINGH
15)Respected Shri Kishore Sahab,
I have gone through each and every word,para and point you have mentioned in the charter of demand. This is not only the charter of demand but also a complete presentation with rational, citation, govt policies, social obligations, etc. It will help us to present, discuss and negotiate various points with confidence, clarity and conviction. AIRIEF and we all the pensioners are indebted to you for this quality work, of course, an arduous and time taking one.
With regards,-------M P Agnihotri.
16) i) DEAR SRI SSIYER, 1)MANY THANX FOR UR GRACIOUS DONATION OF 4TH INSTALMENT FOR LEGAL FUND.GREAT PLEASURE TO ACK UR CHEQUE 079754 DT 23/8/12 FOR RS 1000 INCLUDING MEMBERSHIP FEE RS500.
U WILL GET THE RECEIPT SHORTLY FROM SRI R.KANNAN, OUR TREASURER, AFTER I HAND OVER THE CHEQUE
2)THANX FOR UR TRIBUTE FOR MY E MAILS ON VARIED TOPICS WITH A PLETHORA OF INFORMATION .AS ACTIVISTS ARE FEW, WE HAVE TO WORK VERY HARD CAUSING STRAIN ON BODY,MIND & AFFECTING OUR LEISURE & ENTERTAINMENT.
PLUS MANY IMPORTANT TOPICS, I WANT TO ENSURE QUALITY STUFF WITH
COMPREH ENSIVE ANALYSIS, LIKE AIRIEF--CHARTE R OF DE MA NDS W H TOOK SIGNIFICANT 8/1 0 DAYS TO GATHE R, COLLATE, MAKE ORDE RLY PA RAS, FINISHING TOUCHES, DATA & STATICTICS & COVERING ENTIRE GAMUT OF PENSIONERS LIFE & LIVING
3) IF UR FRIENDS & OTHER PENSIONERS HAVE NOT PAID MEMBERSHIP FEE, VARISTHA VAANI SUBSCRIPTION OR DONATION, PLEASE MOTIVATE THEM TO DO SO & HELP US IN THIS TASK.48 DR SLABS IS A GOOD RISE FOR ALL OF US ON 1 SEP,2012
THANX AGAIN----R.B.KISHORE
ii)I am enclosing here with a cheque for Rs1000 towards Legal Fund(4th instalment)Rs500 & Membership fee Rs500. Many many thanx to you for all the information you are passing through mail.Whene ver I open my account first thing I wish to see your mail/ May Heavens choicest blessing be showered upon you & your family always
With kind re gards,---S.Subramani Iyer
(That is why I appeal in my ccc or other emails that those who have not paid at all must donate liber ally & others continue to supplement with e xtra instalments –mediclaim refund of e xcess pr emium, Extra DR slabs. restor ation of commuted pension etc—Please respond)
17)Re: Fw: Withholding Gratuity of Officers on flimsy ground is bad in law - says Gujarat High Court
Dear Mr Kishore,
This is a landmark judgment.Perhaps the Bank may appeal against the judgment.But I have suggested to two of the retired officers in Hyderabad whose benefits were withheld but subsequently paid without punishment to claim interest for delayed payment.We may bring it to the notice of retired employees who would have suffered without justification on this count.
Regards.—CHMahadevan
COLLECTIONS by R.B.KISHORE 1/9/2012
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